The Boiling Frog: Fed Up

Tuesday, 22 November 2011

Fed Up

Richard North once described membership of UKIP as; "optimism, descending into frustration, to disillusionment and to betrayal"

I'm rapidly coming to similar conclusions.

12 comments:

john in cheshire22 November 2011 11:38
Can you explain why?
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The Boiling Frog22 November 2011 11:46
I can't give too many details away, and I'm aware that I'm not in a good mood at the moment. Let's just say, as I've hinted on this blog before that UKIP should be doing much better in current circumstances, that it is amateurish in many respects.

This was proved once again to me, as a committee chairman, last night when loads of people near where I live were let down at the last minute by ad hoc planning, not only wasting months of work but dropping someone in deep shit.

It's not good enough. The ordinary members who put in hard work are being let down and ignored because someone decides he has better things to do
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WitteringsfromWitney22 November 2011 11:54
Oh dear, TBF, so its not just Witney then?

As you know I too have felt Ukip should be well into double figures in the polls by now - and amateurish doesn't begin to describe Ukip's campaign, administration, or website.
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john in cheshire22 November 2011 12:01
I'm sorry to hear this; such criticisms of UKIP occur too frequently to be ignored. As a member, it disturbs me.
Have you any opinions on the British Freedom Party. I've looked at their website and they sound interesting; seem to have similar views to UKIP but seem to be newer (I've only just heard of them) and smaller.
I keep searching for a political movement that matches my views, without much success.
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The Boiling Frog22 November 2011 12:11
Agree WfW, and serious damage was done last night to UKIP's standing in an area that had potential after the Lib Dem betrayal of student fees. And it's not the first time stuff is made up on a whim by those further up in the party.

I'm really not fucking happy
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The Boiling Frog22 November 2011 12:19
@JiC I've not looked at them to be honest and I suspect they will suffer similar problems. It's notoriously difficult for any party to make an impact on the political consensus - UKIP had to break all sorts of electoral records to do it. This is what is so frustrating they are in a wonderful position to take advantage and doing their damnedest to screw it up.

All of which confirms my conclusions - held for some time - that it will be "events dear boy events" that get us out not any political party. I just wish we could get out before any more damage is done to our country
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WitteringsfromWitney22 November 2011 12:42
jic: TFP seem a cross-match of various anti-EU parties. When they first appeared the latched onto my Constitution posts and I offered to help with input on policy and a participatory form of democracy as they said it was of interest. Heard nowt since - which suggests something.
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john in cheshire22 November 2011 13:11
WfW, thanks for your reply. I've just noticed that they seem to be hooking up with EDL. I'm not sure that's a bad thing or not; it could give them all the EDL votes, which might give them the base they need to be taken seriously? But to refuse help when it's offered is short-sighted on their part. I'll wait and see how they develop, I think.
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kenomeat22 November 2011 13:43
jic: The last thing we need is to split the anti-EU vote.
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Gawain Towler22 November 2011 16:19
BF

Talk to me direct if I can help
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Anonymous22 November 2011 16:52
I'm terrible ... I just dont do compromise ... I think ... I see the bigger picture ... its always toys out of the pram with me ... :).

However I've managed to be active in UKIP since 2000 enduring one cock up after another. But Politics is about compromising with people that you do not like in order to win gains which you hardly notice.

Standing close up, if UKIP can get it wrong they will. Standing back look how far we have come.
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Anonymous23 November 2011 00:35
You'll only get rid of Farage when the Conservative accept him into the party, in a senior role. That could come as soon as next election if things keep going the way they are, but then UKIP will perish.
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(Felipe Gonzalez, a Spanish former PM, 1998)

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(Jean-Claude Trichet, current head of the European Central Bank)

"One must never forget that monetary union, which the two of us were the first to propose more than a decade ago, is ultimately a political project. It aims to give a new impulse to the historic movement toward union of the European states"
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"The process of monetary union goes hand in hand, must go hand in hand, with political integration and ultimately political union. EMU [economic and monetary union] is, and always was meant to be, a stepping stone on the way to a united Europe"
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But...

The British Government Knew The Consequences In 1971

Foreign and Commonwealth Office 30/1048 - 1971

...the transfer of major executive responsibilities to the bureaucratic Commission in Brussels will exacerbate popular feeling of alienation from government. To counter this feeling, strengthened local and regional democratic processes within the member states and effective Community regional economic and social policies will be essential.

Parliamentary sovereignty will be affected as we have seen. But the need for Parliament to play an increasing (if perhaps more specialised) role may develop. Firstly, although a European Parliament might in the longest term become an effective, directly elected democratic check upon the bureaucracy, this will not be for a long time, and certainly not in the decade to come. In the interval, to minimise the loss of democratic control it will be important that the British Parliamentarians should play an effective role both through the British membership in the European Parliament and through the processes of the British Parliament itself.

Tuesday, 22 November 2011

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